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		<title>By: ana</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture/comment-page-1#comment-8428</link>
		<dc:creator>ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i cannot use SCA without the aid of SCO, why would i go for IBM? Could it be for the brand? or reputation? or simply because IBM really rocks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i cannot use SCA without the aid of SCO, why would i go for IBM? Could it be for the brand? or reputation? or simply because IBM really rocks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ananiev</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture/comment-page-1#comment-4539</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ananiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ Murray:
Yes, SCA and SDO are kind of bundled together, and with IBM products you cannot use SCA without SCO. Can&#039;t say that I&#039;m over ecstatic with it; SDO&#039;s dynamic typing and &quot;kinda XML but not exactly&quot; API IMO leaves a lot to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ Murray:<br />
Yes, SCA and SDO are kind of bundled together, and with IBM products you cannot use SCA without SCO. Can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m over ecstatic with it; SDO&#8217;s dynamic typing and &#8220;kinda XML but not exactly&#8221; API IMO leaves a lot to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Murray</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture/comment-page-1#comment-4426</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you looked at Service Data Objects? It’s difficult to imagine using SCA without SDO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you looked at Service Data Objects? It’s difficult to imagine using SCA without SDO.</p>
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		<title>By: MFoss</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture/comment-page-1#comment-3214</link>
		<dc:creator>MFoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander:
I&#039;m using IBM WID 6.0.1.2.  The IBM article referenced in http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/SCA+Resources demonstrates some good techniques to externalize input data and expected results using the com.ibm.websphere.bo.BOXMLSerializer.  

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal//0608_artus/0608_artus.html
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0609_artus/0609_artus.html 

We&#039;ve also prototyped copying POJOSDO using reflection.  From there one could use Spring to inject test data.

I&#039;m currently looking at wiring mock objects in WID to simulate external services.  I&#039;ll keep you posted on my progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander:<br />
I&#8217;m using IBM WID 6.0.1.2.  The IBM article referenced in <a href="http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/SCA+Resources" rel="nofollow">http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/SCA+Resources</a> demonstrates some good techniques to externalize input data and expected results using the com.ibm.websphere.bo.BOXMLSerializer.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal//0608_artus/0608_artus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal//0608_artus/0608_artus.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0609_artus/0609_artus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0609_artus/0609_artus.html</a> </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also prototyped copying POJOSDO using reflection.  From there one could use Spring to inject test data.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently looking at wiring mock objects in WID to simulate external services.  I&#8217;ll keep you posted on my progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ananiev</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture/comment-page-1#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ananiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MFoss:
Not with the current crop of IBM products (still need to check on the latest release). However, according to the spec (http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/Service+Component+Architecture+Specifications) SCA is supposed to work just fine outside the container, so I wonder if implementations from other vendors are more &quot;TDD-friendly&quot;. 

Alexander</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MFoss:<br />
Not with the current crop of IBM products (still need to check on the latest release). However, according to the spec (<a href="http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/Service+Component+Architecture+Specifications" rel="nofollow">http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/Service+Component+Architecture+Specifications</a>) SCA is supposed to work just fine outside the container, so I wonder if implementations from other vendors are more &#8220;TDD-friendly&#8221;. </p>
<p>Alexander</p>
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		<title>By: MFoss</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture/comment-page-1#comment-3209</link>
		<dc:creator>MFoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also started working with SCA and have the same goals you have for TDD to test SCA components and interfaces outside the container.  I was wondering, have you made any progress on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also started working with SCA and have the same goals you have for TDD to test SCA components and interfaces outside the container.  I was wondering, have you made any progress on this?</p>
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