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	<title>Comments on: First Impressions from Service Component Architecture</title>
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		<title>By: ana</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture#comment-8428</link>
		<dc:creator>ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i cannot use SCA without the aid of SCO, why would i go for IBM? Could it be for the brand? or reputation? or simply because IBM really rocks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i cannot use SCA without the aid of SCO, why would i go for IBM? Could it be for the brand? or reputation? or simply because IBM really rocks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ananiev</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture#comment-4539</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ananiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ Murray:
Yes, SCA and SDO are kind of bundled together, and with IBM products you cannot use SCA without SCO. Can't say that I'm over ecstatic with it; SDO's dynamic typing and "kinda XML but not exactly" API IMO leaves a lot to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ Murray:<br />
Yes, SCA and SDO are kind of bundled together, and with IBM products you cannot use SCA without SCO. Can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m over ecstatic with it; SDO&#8217;s dynamic typing and &#8220;kinda XML but not exactly&#8221; API IMO leaves a lot to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Murray</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture#comment-4426</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you looked at Service Data Objects? It’s difficult to imagine using SCA without SDO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you looked at Service Data Objects? It’s difficult to imagine using SCA without SDO.</p>
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		<title>By: MFoss</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture#comment-3214</link>
		<dc:creator>MFoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander:
I'm using IBM WID 6.0.1.2.  The IBM article referenced in http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/SCA+Resources demonstrates some good techniques to externalize input data and expected results using the com.ibm.websphere.bo.BOXMLSerializer.  

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal//0608_artus/0608_artus.html
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0609_artus/0609_artus.html 

We've also prototyped copying POJOSDO using reflection.  From there one could use Spring to inject test data.

I'm currently looking at wiring mock objects in WID to simulate external services.  I'll keep you posted on my progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander:<br />
I&#8217;m using IBM WID 6.0.1.2.  The IBM article referenced in <a href="http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/SCA+Resources" rel="nofollow">http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/SCA+Resources</a> demonstrates some good techniques to externalize input data and expected results using the com.ibm.websphere.bo.BOXMLSerializer.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal//0608_artus/0608_artus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal//0608_artus/0608_artus.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0609_artus/0609_artus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0609_artus/0609_artus.html</a> </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also prototyped copying POJOSDO using reflection.  From there one could use Spring to inject test data.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently looking at wiring mock objects in WID to simulate external services.  I&#8217;ll keep you posted on my progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ananiev</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ananiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MFoss:
Not with the current crop of IBM products (still need to check on the latest release). However, according to the spec (http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/Service+Component+Architecture+Specifications) SCA is supposed to work just fine outside the container, so I wonder if implementations from other vendors are more "TDD-friendly". 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MFoss:<br />
Not with the current crop of IBM products (still need to check on the latest release). However, according to the spec (http://www.osoa.org/display/Main/Service+Component+Architecture+Specifications) SCA is supposed to work just fine outside the container, so I wonder if implementations from other vendors are more &#8220;TDD-friendly&#8221;. </p>
<p>Alexander</p>
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		<title>By: MFoss</title>
		<link>http://myarch.com/first-impressions-from-service-component-architecture#comment-3209</link>
		<dc:creator>MFoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also started working with SCA and have the same goals you have for TDD to test SCA components and interfaces outside the container.  I was wondering, have you made any progress on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also started working with SCA and have the same goals you have for TDD to test SCA components and interfaces outside the container.  I was wondering, have you made any progress on this?</p>
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